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Friday, November 28, 2008

[AIMSA "Unity in Diversity"] Re: Nepal: Reservation should be based on the Family Economic Condition

Dear Lokendraji,
It is my pleasure to hear from you .... I hope you are enjoying your vacation... Kindly keep us posted about recent activities and progress in Nepal and Janakpur..
Have you talked to Vijayji??? Please  communicate with him and please  try to publicize AIMSA's goals and objectives to the people you meet..
We are eagerly waiting for your next updates.



Dear All,

I gives me a great pleasure to share with you all that Lokendraji will soon be handling a new responsibility  in view of the decision taken by 11th CWC meeting of AIMSA. I will share the details of the decisions taken in my next postings.

Lokendraji,
I am sure you are aware of the trust vested in you by the CWC and I am extremely confident of you taking AIMSA to a newer height in your new role.

Thanks and Regards,

Sujit
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM, lokendra yadav <lokendra.aimsa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear friends!
 
It's my pleasure to inform you that I, Lokendra Yadav, am  at Janakpur now a days and will be here for a few  days.
 
Friends, I would like to inform you a little bit of Janakpur.
As I notice in a few days, Janakpur is going on with threshold satisfactory state of  peace, calmness and staticness, as it is since after constitution assembly poll.
To the extent of your curiosity, I feel privileged to inform you that Janakpur is historically religious and good governed ideal state in regime of the great king Janak. Its my pride to make you know its worldwide prominency due to devotion to true Karmas of Janaki(sita).
The Janaki temple, the living monuments of Ram and Sita, is a holy foundation inspired and economically supported by Brishbhanu kumari of  Timakgadh, a state of India about 110 years ago. Inform you more about Janakpur in next correspondence.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanking you,
Lokendra Yadav.
AIMSA


 
On 11/24/08, Ajay Yadav <ajay.aimsa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Balkrishna ji
 
Thanks for your view.
Our main objective is not to divide the Madhesi within Madhesi with Caste or religion. This will create more problem with in Madhesi in future.
To find out the economic condition of family is not the tough job.
If their is right intention to do any work then obviously the result would be achieved.
You have already given some of good scientific methods of Accurate Census and SSN.
Only poor people should be benefitted with reservation.
 
Thanks
Ajay Yadav

 
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Balkrishna <balkrishnajha@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ajay ji,

Its time we accept the bare facts of the country and then try to work out progressively on that base. Nobody is going to conduct a census to ascertain the economic condition of people, and especially for the madhesis, nobody is interested. I am talking about carrying the cencus, because of the claims from various academicians time and again, who say that the census is biased against madhesis. There has been effort to 'suppress' the number of madhesis. Do you think that those person who like to suppress the number of madhesis, would 'allow' them to enjoy quota benefit for being poor? They have time and again said that the people in hills are very poor comparatively. Even in the World Bank report titled 'Unequal Citizens', they have said that the madhesi brahmins are second most economically well group in Nepal. They have distorted the fact by combining the marwadis in the group of madhesi brahmins, and the figure inflated. And not to wonder, the team of the report preparers were non-madhesis....

So, who do you think will go in every house in madhes, if the data collectors are mostly the pahade...?

The political parties like TMDP, NSP are raising their voices for the fresh census before the new constitution is formed. We should support it. And also, a third/neutral party survey.

Therefore, in a country, where even the basic data like census is not fair, we should not expect that we have a true data on family income. Moreover, how to calculate income and wealth is another issue. How can we ascertain the income of a farmer in a remote village... i mean do they have any proof?

Therefore, if you focus on scientific methods of progress, we should ascertain the availability of 2 data:
1. Accurate Census
2. Social Security number to track every citizen.

Best regards,

Bal Krishna




On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Ajay Yadav <ajay.aimsa@gmail.com> wrote:

Nepal: Reservation should be based on the Family Economic Condition


Friends we have seen the lots of changes in our country in the short
span of time. There was the time when Nepal seems to have its own
unique culture tradition and peaceful country in the world. We all
used to be proud of our culture, traditional and peacefulness in the
country. We used to hear that in neighboring country like India,
china, Bangladesh, Pakistan has lot of conflict and war within
themselves.

But in the short span of time by 2001 A.D; Nepal has been in the
dalmatic situation where the entire problem starts side by side by
giving one after another dirty politics game for opportunistic
politicians. In realistic none of the politician wants to see the
country to have the good future and work for welfare of society.

Now the Other Backward Caste (OBC) topic seems to have great interest
for the politician in our country. OBC is another strategy for the
politician to make the division within the society. This type of
division gives the politician again another chance to play the Vote
Bank Politics in our society. They want to divide the society in
different sects by caste, religion and again rule the society. They
are creating Issue within society to have name and fame.


In today society I, you and we cannot say that all the OBC are
backward in terms of wealth and all the Brahmins of society are good
in wealth. This equation cannot be well formulated and proved since we
all know that god has given variation within own sibling also. There
is variation within the same caste and within the same family in terms
of wealth, knowledge etc.
As the Citizen responsibility and to have good future of Country I
would support if the Reservation would be given in terms of Family
Economic Conditions not in terms of Caste and religion. There should
be reservation based on the Family Annual income or certain
benchmarking criteria should be formulated which would give the equal
opportunity for all the Nepalese. Government should make the database
of people and give certain scholarship program only to those students
whose family economic condition is poor. The objective is to have the
growth of society irrespective of Caste. I have seen some of really
good economic family children studying in the scholarship program only
because of Caste tag benefit. Society won't see any change if only
those people get chance of everything that really have self capacity
to do. To have change in society we need to give chance to that person
who really needs help.
Logic and Intention does not always go side by side. Most of OBC
people have less wealth but not all the OBC. Finally if you see in the
crystal clear you will see only that portion of OBC gets benefit that
has capacity to do something by self also. If reservation is
implemented by Caste then it is impossible to eliminate in future
since this will become trend in the society and many politician would
be taking their base point as reservation with respect to Caste. One
problem will create lots of problem in future and finally only the
opportunistic people would get benefit by Caste reservation. If
reservation is implemented by Economic Condition of Family then it is
easier to modify the reservation criteria after certain span of time
if the family economic condition becomes better and thus this will
support the upliftment of society.
 Nepal is a secular country. Now is the time not to judge the person
by Caste and one should not get benefit by Caste Tag. We should teach
each other about Humanity. All the human being needs common basic
things in life to live happy. We are the social animal and we live in
society. We should abolish Caste system in our society since this is
cancer of our society.  Friend I urge everyone to act in this with
full force to abolish the caste system in society and to implement the
reservation based on Family Economic Condition.


Thanks and Regards
Ajay Kumar Yadav
ajay.aimsa@gmail.com
External Affairs & Spokesperson
AIMSA, Bangalore – India

AIMSA  web address URL https://indiamadhesi.wordpress.com
http://www.aimsaindia.blogspot.com
Offical Website: www.aimsanepal.org
Email Id: aimsaindia@gmail.com

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http://www.aimsaindia.blogspot.com
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[AIMSA "Unity in Diversity"] Re: Nepal: Reservation should be based on the Family Economic Condition

Dear friends!
 
It's my pleasure to inform you that I, Lokendra Yadav, am  at Janakpur now a days and will be here for a few  days.
 
Friends, I would like to inform you a little bit of Janakpur.
As I notice in a few days, Janakpur is going on with threshold satisfactory state of  peace, calmness and staticness, as it is since after constitution assembly poll.
To the extent of your curiosity, I feel privileged to inform you that Janakpur is historically religious and good governed ideal state in regime of the great king Janak. Its my pride to make you know its worldwide prominency due to devotion to true Karmas of Janaki(sita).
The Janaki temple, the living monuments of Ram and Sita, is a holy foundation inspired and economically supported by Brishbhanu kumari of  Timakgadh, a state of India about 110 years ago. Inform you more about Janakpur in next correspondence.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanking you,
Lokendra Yadav.
AIMSA


 
On 11/24/08, Ajay Yadav <ajay.aimsa@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Balkrishna ji
 
Thanks for your view.
Our main objective is not to divide the Madhesi within Madhesi with Caste or religion. This will create more problem with in Madhesi in future.
To find out the economic condition of family is not the tough job.
If their is right intention to do any work then obviously the result would be achieved.
You have already given some of good scientific methods of Accurate Census and SSN.
Only poor people should be benefitted with reservation.
 
Thanks
Ajay Yadav

 
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Balkrishna <balkrishnajha@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ajay ji,

Its time we accept the bare facts of the country and then try to work out progressively on that base. Nobody is going to conduct a census to ascertain the economic condition of people, and especially for the madhesis, nobody is interested. I am talking about carrying the cencus, because of the claims from various academicians time and again, who say that the census is biased against madhesis. There has been effort to 'suppress' the number of madhesis. Do you think that those person who like to suppress the number of madhesis, would 'allow' them to enjoy quota benefit for being poor? They have time and again said that the people in hills are very poor comparatively. Even in the World Bank report titled 'Unequal Citizens', they have said that the madhesi brahmins are second most economically well group in Nepal. They have distorted the fact by combining the marwadis in the group of madhesi brahmins, and the figure inflated. And not to wonder, the team of the report preparers were non-madhesis....

So, who do you think will go in every house in madhes, if the data collectors are mostly the pahade...?

The political parties like TMDP, NSP are raising their voices for the fresh census before the new constitution is formed. We should support it. And also, a third/neutral party survey.

Therefore, in a country, where even the basic data like census is not fair, we should not expect that we have a true data on family income. Moreover, how to calculate income and wealth is another issue. How can we ascertain the income of a farmer in a remote village... i mean do they have any proof?

Therefore, if you focus on scientific methods of progress, we should ascertain the availability of 2 data:
1. Accurate Census
2. Social Security number to track every citizen.

Best regards,

Bal Krishna




On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Ajay Yadav <ajay.aimsa@gmail.com> wrote:

Nepal: Reservation should be based on the Family Economic Condition


Friends we have seen the lots of changes in our country in the short
span of time. There was the time when Nepal seems to have its own
unique culture tradition and peaceful country in the world. We all
used to be proud of our culture, traditional and peacefulness in the
country. We used to hear that in neighboring country like India,
china, Bangladesh, Pakistan has lot of conflict and war within
themselves.

But in the short span of time by 2001 A.D; Nepal has been in the
dalmatic situation where the entire problem starts side by side by
giving one after another dirty politics game for opportunistic
politicians. In realistic none of the politician wants to see the
country to have the good future and work for welfare of society.

Now the Other Backward Caste (OBC) topic seems to have great interest
for the politician in our country. OBC is another strategy for the
politician to make the division within the society. This type of
division gives the politician again another chance to play the Vote
Bank Politics in our society. They want to divide the society in
different sects by caste, religion and again rule the society. They
are creating Issue within society to have name and fame.


In today society I, you and we cannot say that all the OBC are
backward in terms of wealth and all the Brahmins of society are good
in wealth. This equation cannot be well formulated and proved since we
all know that god has given variation within own sibling also. There
is variation within the same caste and within the same family in terms
of wealth, knowledge etc.
As the Citizen responsibility and to have good future of Country I
would support if the Reservation would be given in terms of Family
Economic Conditions not in terms of Caste and religion. There should
be reservation based on the Family Annual income or certain
benchmarking criteria should be formulated which would give the equal
opportunity for all the Nepalese. Government should make the database
of people and give certain scholarship program only to those students
whose family economic condition is poor. The objective is to have the
growth of society irrespective of Caste. I have seen some of really
good economic family children studying in the scholarship program only
because of Caste tag benefit. Society won't see any change if only
those people get chance of everything that really have self capacity
to do. To have change in society we need to give chance to that person
who really needs help.
Logic and Intention does not always go side by side. Most of OBC
people have less wealth but not all the OBC. Finally if you see in the
crystal clear you will see only that portion of OBC gets benefit that
has capacity to do something by self also. If reservation is
implemented by Caste then it is impossible to eliminate in future
since this will become trend in the society and many politician would
be taking their base point as reservation with respect to Caste. One
problem will create lots of problem in future and finally only the
opportunistic people would get benefit by Caste reservation. If
reservation is implemented by Economic Condition of Family then it is
easier to modify the reservation criteria after certain span of time
if the family economic condition becomes better and thus this will
support the upliftment of society.
 Nepal is a secular country. Now is the time not to judge the person
by Caste and one should not get benefit by Caste Tag. We should teach
each other about Humanity. All the human being needs common basic
things in life to live happy. We are the social animal and we live in
society. We should abolish Caste system in our society since this is
cancer of our society.  Friend I urge everyone to act in this with
full force to abolish the caste system in society and to implement the
reservation based on Family Economic Condition.


Thanks and Regards
Ajay Kumar Yadav
ajay.aimsa@gmail.com
External Affairs & Spokesperson
AIMSA, Bangalore – India

AIMSA  web address URL https://indiamadhesi.wordpress.com
http://www.aimsaindia.blogspot.com
Offical Website: www.aimsanepal.org
Email Id: aimsaindia@gmail.com

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privileged, proprietary, or  otherwise private information. If you
have received it in error; please notify the sender immediately and
delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.





 
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External Affairs & Spokesperson
AIMSA, Bangalore – India

AIMSA  web address URL https://indiamadhesi.wordpress.com
http://www.aimsaindia.blogspot.com
Offical Website: www.aimsanepal.org
Email Id: aimsaindia@gmail.com

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